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	<title>Comments on: PS3 Users &#8220;Sharing&#8221; Downloaded Games &#8211; Illegal? Unethical? [Update]</title>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-26808</link>
		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wtf!! if i buy a ps3game in the store I PAY for 5 LICENSES.
there are some exceptions (like gt5 prologue)

gt5 would be illegal but still works. only problem is if a friend plays it
you and anyone else CAN&#039;T for 24 hours.

READ THE LICENSES!! it&#039;s 100% legal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wtf!! if i buy a ps3game in the store I PAY for 5 LICENSES.<br />
there are some exceptions (like gt5 prologue)</p>
<p>gt5 would be illegal but still works. only problem is if a friend plays it<br />
you and anyone else CAN&#8217;T for 24 hours.</p>
<p>READ THE LICENSES!! it&#8217;s 100% legal</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-26596</link>
		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>think its brilliant as ... i play  Socom Confrontation  and my friends play COD they listened to the critics rating Socom poorly which in this day and age is bad because the critics are so wrong to rubbish certain games understand that Socom  was released prematurely but at least the makers have wrked on the game so much with 7 up dates at a guess , if ppl played socom now they would be suprised how playable this game is ! AND throu the sharing of download content between friends  i have in effect helped a company gain a bigger fanbase , my friends now play BOTH Socom and Call of Duty totally ignoring the critics and haters of certain games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>think its brilliant as &#8230; i play  Socom Confrontation  and my friends play COD they listened to the critics rating Socom poorly which in this day and age is bad because the critics are so wrong to rubbish certain games understand that Socom  was released prematurely but at least the makers have wrked on the game so much with 7 up dates at a guess , if ppl played socom now they would be suprised how playable this game is ! AND throu the sharing of download content between friends  i have in effect helped a company gain a bigger fanbase , my friends now play BOTH Socom and Call of Duty totally ignoring the critics and haters of certain games.</p>
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		<title>By: OJdaIceMon</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-25564</link>
		<dc:creator>OJdaIceMon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey guys i dont find gamesharing illegal so if u want then friend OJdaIceMon on ps3 to get games, ill tell u what they are if u friend request me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey guys i dont find gamesharing illegal so if u want then friend OJdaIceMon on ps3 to get games, ill tell u what they are if u friend request me</p>
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		<title>By: JROD</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-24975</link>
		<dc:creator>JROD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wouldn&#039;t do it   wouldn&#039;t  want my psn account banned</description>
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		<title>By: moe13_14</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-24392</link>
		<dc:creator>moe13_14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 02:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have fat princess, mag beta, rag doll kung fu, and battlefield 1943 email me TO GAMESHARE!!</description>
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		<title>By: Bal</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-23895</link>
		<dc:creator>Bal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s wrong, that&#039;s the truth but for some people there&#039;s a honest reason. Look at the payment methods for PSN. Firstly it&#039;s main method is credit card, that&#039;s fine as it&#039;s probally the most common method but look at the cards they sell. THey&#039;re only region specific causing people in the EU to only have credit card. Now like a huge chunk of PSN users, i live in the UK (Europe) so that cancels out getting a card, unless i go abroad but my family isn&#039;t exactly rich. I&#039;m also under 18/21 which means i don&#039;t have a creditcard, now many would ask they&#039;re parents but my parents are peculiar in the way of not putting credit card details out on the computer no matter how huge the company is. So all these factors prohibit me from putting funds into my online wallet. Taking all this into account i have had to use my friends account to get me the CoD map packs, 1943, warhawk and socom confrontation. Now if Sony implemented a Pay by SMS/phone facility or if they sold cards within Europe i&#039;m pretty sure people like me would stop acount sharing and therefore the  game distributors and Sony would make a larger annual profit. See where i&#039;m getting at?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s wrong, that&#8217;s the truth but for some people there&#8217;s a honest reason. Look at the payment methods for PSN. Firstly it&#8217;s main method is credit card, that&#8217;s fine as it&#8217;s probally the most common method but look at the cards they sell. THey&#8217;re only region specific causing people in the EU to only have credit card. Now like a huge chunk of PSN users, i live in the UK (Europe) so that cancels out getting a card, unless i go abroad but my family isn&#8217;t exactly rich. I&#8217;m also under 18/21 which means i don&#8217;t have a creditcard, now many would ask they&#8217;re parents but my parents are peculiar in the way of not putting credit card details out on the computer no matter how huge the company is. So all these factors prohibit me from putting funds into my online wallet. Taking all this into account i have had to use my friends account to get me the CoD map packs, 1943, warhawk and socom confrontation. Now if Sony implemented a Pay by SMS/phone facility or if they sold cards within Europe i&#8217;m pretty sure people like me would stop acount sharing and therefore the  game distributors and Sony would make a larger annual profit. See where i&#8217;m getting at?</p>
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		<title>By: Niskim</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-23699</link>
		<dc:creator>Niskim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Psymansim this has nothing to do with piracy in that aspect..... this is sharing games across consoles by downloading via another users name and password.... the problem is that nowhere does it say what to do if you got two consoles and want to buy a DLC only game.... so basicly I could say that I&#039;m downloading it to another console but I&#039;m really sharing my DLC to a different person...... which is kinda like P2P but how could they regulate if you share the files or want to download it for your second console you got in your household.... I think thats the big issue how to regulate that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psymansim this has nothing to do with piracy in that aspect&#8230;.. this is sharing games across consoles by downloading via another users name and password&#8230;. the problem is that nowhere does it say what to do if you got two consoles and want to buy a DLC only game&#8230;. so basicly I could say that I&#8217;m downloading it to another console but I&#8217;m really sharing my DLC to a different person&#8230;&#8230; which is kinda like P2P but how could they regulate if you share the files or want to download it for your second console you got in your household&#8230;. I think thats the big issue how to regulate that!</p>
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		<title>By: Psymansim</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-23516</link>
		<dc:creator>Psymansim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but guys....lots of people prefer to buy pirated games due to its price... same on the ps2 console. in other places like saudi arabia allows the sellers to sell some pirated games. im not saying that piracy is good or bad as long as there is a permission by the government....by the time pirated ps3 games go worldwide. it would be fun for others and be interested to bought a ps3.. just like the ps2, its lifespan is more than 4-6 yrs, while the xbox lifespan is 2-3 yrs.. if the sony presents that it is possible that the piracy of games will be good to the ps3 consoles....the ps3&#039;s lifespan might go twice its value...ex. its normal lifespan in 5-8 but it if piracy could be allowed in ps3 its lifespan could 10-14 yrs....if only sony could realize what happen to the ps2 when they allowed the piracy of games to its console</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but guys&#8230;.lots of people prefer to buy pirated games due to its price&#8230; same on the ps2 console. in other places like saudi arabia allows the sellers to sell some pirated games. im not saying that piracy is good or bad as long as there is a permission by the government&#8230;.by the time pirated ps3 games go worldwide. it would be fun for others and be interested to bought a ps3.. just like the ps2, its lifespan is more than 4-6 yrs, while the xbox lifespan is 2-3 yrs.. if the sony presents that it is possible that the piracy of games will be good to the ps3 consoles&#8230;.the ps3&#8217;s lifespan might go twice its value&#8230;ex. its normal lifespan in 5-8 but it if piracy could be allowed in ps3 its lifespan could 10-14 yrs&#8230;.if only sony could realize what happen to the ps2 when they allowed the piracy of games to its console</p>
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		<title>By: Niskim</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-23355</link>
		<dc:creator>Niskim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well as this is debated it just shows that somewhere some1 hasn&#039;t put the rules down so it is plain to see for any idiot what you can do and what you can&#039;t do! Sony released the console and thier rules..... is it developers that didn&#039;t read them through or did Sony make a slip up? either way they need to figure out what the hell they want to do! either we can do this or we can&#039;t! and for those who has got more than one PS3 in their household.... what about them? Make the rules clear and set a statement from Sony that is final! then us users can make our choice to do it or not (knowing what would happen if caught) STEP UP SONY!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well as this is debated it just shows that somewhere some1 hasn&#8217;t put the rules down so it is plain to see for any idiot what you can do and what you can&#8217;t do! Sony released the console and thier rules&#8230;.. is it developers that didn&#8217;t read them through or did Sony make a slip up? either way they need to figure out what the hell they want to do! either we can do this or we can&#8217;t! and for those who has got more than one PS3 in their household&#8230;. what about them? Make the rules clear and set a statement from Sony that is final! then us users can make our choice to do it or not (knowing what would happen if caught) STEP UP SONY!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: the one true raziel</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-22942</link>
		<dc:creator>the one true raziel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree on some aspects of this.. the idea of producing games is outragious and selling them sometimes as cheap as they come but for some OMG. lets look at mortal kombat 2 classic ps one game 5 bucks your outa your freekin mind i could just go to my local game stop and possibly buy it for cheaper then that.  &quot;this is where the game sharing idea takes place.&quot; The idea for game sharing nice touch sony ya finally did something right. this is why they added the 5 system rule it is allowed and it dosent break any EOLA in the rules. Hats off to sony for that. I would like to game share and have but 4 games so far resident evil directors cut, zen pinball, namco museum must have a korean account and rag doll kung fu. if any one is willing to share without the hassle of tryn to hack one another ill be interested. i will soon have another account on my ps3 system just for this reason. if anyone is interested add razieltempest to your friends list and i will point you in the direction of another name that will get you these titles i do have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree on some aspects of this.. the idea of producing games is outragious and selling them sometimes as cheap as they come but for some OMG. lets look at mortal kombat 2 classic ps one game 5 bucks your outa your freekin mind i could just go to my local game stop and possibly buy it for cheaper then that.  &#8220;this is where the game sharing idea takes place.&#8221; The idea for game sharing nice touch sony ya finally did something right. this is why they added the 5 system rule it is allowed and it dosent break any EOLA in the rules. Hats off to sony for that. I would like to game share and have but 4 games so far resident evil directors cut, zen pinball, namco museum must have a korean account and rag doll kung fu. if any one is willing to share without the hassle of tryn to hack one another ill be interested. i will soon have another account on my ps3 system just for this reason. if anyone is interested add razieltempest to your friends list and i will point you in the direction of another name that will get you these titles i do have.</p>
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		<title>By: dragonsooth</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-22668</link>
		<dc:creator>dragonsooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, what about add-ons? like the BP island? and about the sharing games, i noticed something. games that DO have a disk version, is illegal. games the do NOT have a disk version, like &quot;loco roco, wipeout HD, and callng all cars&quot;, is totally legal. add ons also. since they have no &quot;cd-upgrade&quot; like the ultimate box for burnout paradise, then it&#039;s ok. email me back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, what about add-ons? like the BP island? and about the sharing games, i noticed something. games that DO have a disk version, is illegal. games the do NOT have a disk version, like &#8220;loco roco, wipeout HD, and callng all cars&#8221;, is totally legal. add ons also. since they have no &#8220;cd-upgrade&#8221; like the ultimate box for burnout paradise, then it&#8217;s ok. email me back.</p>
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		<title>By: Majestic</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-21531</link>
		<dc:creator>Majestic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 09:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey its really hard for me to get a game so if sum1 can share a game with me i wud greately</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey its really hard for me to get a game so if sum1 can share a game with me i wud greately</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-20296</link>
		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason I think I actually heard of a case in the EU where folks got sued for playing there music too loud, on grounds it was illegal for so many people to hear a product they purchased</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason I think I actually heard of a case in the EU where folks got sued for playing there music too loud, on grounds it was illegal for so many people to hear a product they purchased</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathon Howard</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-20212</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathon Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I can&#039;t speak legalese, nor would I want to wade through a game license or Sony&#039;s TOS.  I&#039;m going to take at face value the statement by Sony that says they allow these games to be shared on up to 5 systems.  If Sony used the word friend in their legalese then they need to talk to their legal team, as the word has no strict definition, if I say your a friend, you are, there&#039;s no hurdle of evidence that has to be crossed.  

I see this as similar to the shareware scene on the PC in the 90s where the entire game was there on your disk all you had to do was pay for it.  The companies knew that the players were sharing their unlock codes.  They decided though that getting people to play their product was more important than punishing them for doing so illegally.  

Is this unethical?  I&#039;d say no, regardless of what Sony and any lawyers want to so.  They&#039;d like it to be illegal for me to invite friends over to listen to a new cd I bought, or record music off of the radio, but it isn&#039;t.  Furthermore even if it was its unenforceable.  I feel for developers who know their games are popular but don&#039;t see the money mirroring that fact.  There is little they can do about it though, and such measures as DRM, complaints, appeals, etc.  Only create bad press.  They best they can hope for is that some of those users do decide to pay for the product in the future or their next one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I can&#8217;t speak legalese, nor would I want to wade through a game license or Sony&#8217;s TOS.  I&#8217;m going to take at face value the statement by Sony that says they allow these games to be shared on up to 5 systems.  If Sony used the word friend in their legalese then they need to talk to their legal team, as the word has no strict definition, if I say your a friend, you are, there&#8217;s no hurdle of evidence that has to be crossed.  </p>
<p>I see this as similar to the shareware scene on the PC in the 90s where the entire game was there on your disk all you had to do was pay for it.  The companies knew that the players were sharing their unlock codes.  They decided though that getting people to play their product was more important than punishing them for doing so illegally.  </p>
<p>Is this unethical?  I&#8217;d say no, regardless of what Sony and any lawyers want to so.  They&#8217;d like it to be illegal for me to invite friends over to listen to a new cd I bought, or record music off of the radio, but it isn&#8217;t.  Furthermore even if it was its unenforceable.  I feel for developers who know their games are popular but don&#8217;t see the money mirroring that fact.  There is little they can do about it though, and such measures as DRM, complaints, appeals, etc.  Only create bad press.  They best they can hope for is that some of those users do decide to pay for the product in the future or their next one.</p>
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		<title>By: Danilo</title>
		<link>http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/05/13/ps3-users-sharing-downloaded-games-illegal-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-20204</link>
		<dc:creator>Danilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...AND BY GAMESHARING I GOT:

1 - Linger In Shadows
2 - 1942: Joint Strike
3 - Street Fighter Alpha
4 - Mortal Kombat II
5 - PAIN
6 - Prince Of Persia Classic
7 - Crash Bandicoot
8 - Crash Bandicoot 2 Cortex Strikes Back
9 - Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped
10 - Burnout Paradise V. 1.5
11 - Gran Turismo 5 Prologue
12 - Warhawk
13 - Calling All Cars
14 - Toy Home
15 - Spyro The Dragon
16 - Soldner-X: Himmelsstürmer
17 - PixelJunk Monsters
18 - Wipeout@HD
19 - Tekken 5: Dark Ressurection
20 - Super Rub&#039;a&#039;Dub
21 - PixelJunk Eden
22 - The Last Guy
23 - Flower
24 - SIREN: Blood Curse
25 - Beats
26 - Castelvania Chronicles
27 - Super Stardust HD
28 - Elefunk
29 - flOw
30 - Locoroco Cocoreccho


People, it isn&#039;t illegal... how could I get all of these games for free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;AND BY GAMESHARING I GOT:</p>
<p>1 &#8211; Linger In Shadows<br />
2 &#8211; 1942: Joint Strike<br />
3 &#8211; Street Fighter Alpha<br />
4 &#8211; Mortal Kombat II<br />
5 &#8211; PAIN<br />
6 &#8211; Prince Of Persia Classic<br />
7 &#8211; Crash Bandicoot<br />
8 &#8211; Crash Bandicoot 2 Cortex Strikes Back<br />
9 &#8211; Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped<br />
10 &#8211; Burnout Paradise V. 1.5<br />
11 &#8211; Gran Turismo 5 Prologue<br />
12 &#8211; Warhawk<br />
13 &#8211; Calling All Cars<br />
14 &#8211; Toy Home<br />
15 &#8211; Spyro The Dragon<br />
16 &#8211; Soldner-X: Himmelsstürmer<br />
17 &#8211; PixelJunk Monsters<br />
18 &#8211; Wipeout@HD<br />
19 &#8211; Tekken 5: Dark Ressurection<br />
20 &#8211; Super Rub&#8217;a'Dub<br />
21 &#8211; PixelJunk Eden<br />
22 &#8211; The Last Guy<br />
23 &#8211; Flower<br />
24 &#8211; SIREN: Blood Curse<br />
25 &#8211; Beats<br />
26 &#8211; Castelvania Chronicles<br />
27 &#8211; Super Stardust HD<br />
28 &#8211; Elefunk<br />
29 &#8211; flOw<br />
30 &#8211; Locoroco Cocoreccho</p>
<p>People, it isn&#8217;t illegal&#8230; how could I get all of these games for free?</p>
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